Braves 12, Phillies 10

Nothing 12 runs won’t cure.

The Braves erupted for 10 runs in the top of the 2nd, and held on to salvage a game from the 3 game set and increase their NL East lead to 3 games. Austin Riley doubled in Adam Duvall to score the 1st run of the inning, and Riley’s 2 run homer scored the 9th and 10th runs of the frame.

Jake Arrieta was not sharp, walking 3 in his inning and a third, including Dansby Swanson with the bases loaded. Arrieta gave up 6 hits, and was charged with 7 runs. David Hale wasn’t the answer either, allowing 3 hits and 3 more runs before the inning ended.

Tommy Milone lasted an inning longer than Arrieta, but the same results: 7 runs allowed. Milone hasn’t had double digit starts in a season since 2016, when he started 12 out of 19 for Minnesota. He has 7 starts this season; let’s see if he reaches double digits this year.

Luke Jackson maydayed Milone in the 3rd, but it was S.O.S. in the 4th. Two walks and a single led to the Phillies 8th run. A.J. Minter came on with one out, and got a Didi Gregorius flyout and Phil Gosselin strikeout to end the inning. Minter went on to strike out the side in the 5th; Scott Kingery, Roman Quinn, and Andrew McCutchen were the Mintees.

Marcell Ozuna singled home Johan Camargo in the 5th to slow the madness. Ozuna and Nick Markakis had 3 hits apiece. Camargo joined Riley with 2 hits.

It remained calm from there until the 8th. Will Smith relieved, and Quinn and McCutchen hit solo shots to West Philadelphia to cut the lead to 11 – 10. Swanson’s homer in the 9th gave Mark Melancon some breathing room.

Ronald Acuna Jr. was removed after 2 innings for precautionary reasons after some hamstring tightness. He could be available Monday.

The Braves have completed 55% of their season. They travel to Boston Monday – Max Fried and Colten Brewer scheduled.

Author: Rusty S.

Rusty S. is a Braves Journal reader since 2005 and an occasional innings-eater. It was my understanding that there would be no expectations.

71 thoughts on “Braves 12, Phillies 10”

  1. Maybe Tommy Milone could be our third catcher.

    Nice work, Rusty. Sounds like the Braves fit a week’s worth of games in nine innings yesterday.

  2. But a big part of the solution to the rotation is going to have to start with the organization taking an honest accounting of the number of turns through the lineup each of their pitchers can manage. That means that they need to be willing to send out their starters as “openers,” and simply ignore whether they qualify for a win.

    Other than Fried and Soroka, there’s no starting pitcher in the organization who I want facing a lineup four times.

    Anderson might have earned the right to face a lineup three times, meaning that depending on how he’s hitting his spots, I might be willing to see him come out for the fifth inning.

    Everyone else — Ynoa, Erlin, Tomlin, Wilson, Wright, and Toussaint — shouldn’t face a lineup more than twice. All of those guys can pitch three strong innings and they start to hit a wall in the fourth or the fifth. They should not be sent back out for the fourth or the fifth.

  3. @2 This seems so clear, and it’s so frustrating that the front office won’t recognize it.

    And it’s not like it has to be permanent. Let’s say one of these pitchers starts shoving in their 3-inning stints. Then give him an extra inning after several strong outings. I don’t know why this is so hard for the team to understand. You have a bunch of guys that are 3-inning relievers.

  4. Despite all the issues with our starting pitching, we remain in a very good position. Three games up on the Marlins and Phillies. Games remaining against Boston (6), the Washington Baseball Club (8), Miami (7), Baltimore (3), and the NY Mets (3).

  5. Don’t know if anyone heard, but a week or two ago, when the Braves were in a rain delay, I called into Ben Ingram’s rain delay show and I asked, given that the Braves have guys like Ynoa and Erlin who’ve had trouble stretching out, why not use them as openers?

    Ingram immediately parroted the company line: if you want them to be starters, they have to learn how to go deep into a game.

    It’s clear that the organization has a major blind spot here.

  6. @5 – I heard that! A little radio station across the river from Louisville, Ky., in southern Indiana, somehow blessedly signed up to carry Braves games (when they aren’t pre-empted by southern Indiana little league baseball/HS football broadcasts, at least), and I heard that while driving and I remember shaking my head & saying aloud to myself, “that is so dumb.”

  7. Thanks, Rusty. Love the Mintees! The comments above seem eminently sensible. From which I might conclude this all may mark the moment when AA , privately, thanks Snit for all he has done and urges him to savor his last few weeks in charge.

  8. @7, I wonder about this. I think in the days of the Schurholz/Cox brain trust — which extended into the Hart/Coppy days — the Braves were definitely defiantly “old school,” very much to their detriment, as Schuerholz failed to recognize the degree to which the game had moved on. AA seems more new school, and there was clearly a TON of post-Coppy cleaning house (though obviously, Snitker is a long-term survivor) so to whatever extent that the organization used to be backwards, I think AA cleared out a lot of that. I’d like to think that he’s brought in some new thinking along with all the new people, but the proof will be in the pudding.

  9. I’ll wait until the deadline passes before freaking out, but if we do nothing today and AA comes out with his standard claptrap about not finding a deal that worked for us value-wise, I am gonna freak out. Holding onto all of your worthwhile trade pieces when you have a huge need is not a winning strategy. At some point, it becomes clear that we’re not waiting for the right deal or whatever, we’re just never gonna trade any top-ish prospect for any reason. That’s dumb. It’s going to require an overpay, and overpay we should.

  10. I’m disappointed about Clevinger but I’m not gonna criticize AA until after the deadline. I can’t believe he’ll let today go without at least one solid starter.

  11. @11 – I don’t know, man. I’m firmly with you guys – the time to wait and horde prospects is past. Push your dang chips in. Freddie is under contract for one more year. If the choice is between, A) 4-5 years of good enough to make the playoffs but get bounced in first round, or B) 1-2 years of a legit WS threat, I’m going option B all day long.

    Let the post-world series Cleveland Indians team be a warning of what can happen when you have a talented young core, but fail to push your chips in and put the team over the top by spending cash or prospects. The Tribe have a good-not-great team, make the playoffs every year, and get bounced by more talented teams.

  12. If AA pulls in a frontline starter by day’s end, I’ll change my tune. But if the result is a Kevin Gausman or Robbie Ray type that wouldn’t even crack the Dodgers’ starting five… man I dunno.

  13. @2
    I just wish the front office would stop throwing stop gap measures at the rotation.

    Really, Soroka’s injury was only odd thing to happen to the rotation. Hamels was always going to miss time. King Felix was brought on as a flier. Folty spent most of 2019 at AAA. Newcomb was a reliever. Fried showed flashes, but wasn’t a lock.

    In reality, we had one proven healthy pitcher in the rotation coming into the season and that is what we have now.

  14. @16

    Really, we got just as lucky with Fried rounding into an apparent ace as we did unlucky that one of the spin-the-wheel guys hasn’t cashed. The thought that we’ve just gotten soooooo unlucky with the rotation this year is crap outside of Soroka’s injury.

  15. Did the Padres get him without giving up any of their top prospects? I don’t see any names in that trade that are on the Padres’ top 10.

  16. It’s very possible Drew Waters is not valued as an elite prospect by Cleveland; Klaw doesn’t think much of him and didn’t have him in his top 100, for example. Still, that doesn’t make me feel much better. As I write this, Mike Minor has been traded to the A’s and DOB is suggesting Lynn is a less a possibility than another ride on the Gausman roller coaster. Even if Waters isn’t valued that highly, they had more than enough pieces to exceed the Padres’ offer. Punting on this year is completely unacceptable.

    But maybe it’s for the best. In all likelihood, our PLAYER’S MANAGER™ would have started Clevinger in game 3 of the first round because “he’s a road warrior” or some other nonsense, and we lose the series because he only made one start.

  17. The Indians in recent years have had lotsa pitching & a lineup that was only 2- or 3-deep. They’d rent a Yasiel Puig or Jay Bruce, hope for the best… then get bounced from the ALDS b/c they couldn’t score. Rinse, repeat.

    Looks like they got a haul today, though.

    And yes, gotta get a starter today.

  18. @19

    I think the whole organization was behind giving Folty two starts over our best pitcher.

    I still believe we need to get two starters today. I went to see my barber and he heard Acuna on his phone and this is what is up for today

    Atl gets: Lance Lynn, Shin-Soo Choo and Sonny Gray
    Cin Gets: Drew Waters, AJ Graffanino and Brock Burke
    Tex Gets: Kyle Wright, Newk, Brenden Shewmake and Jose De Leon

  19. @21

    Smitty…very creative but…

    ‘giving Folty two starts over our best pitcher.’

    sounds great but what does it mean? thanks

  20. It means 2019 NLDS, where Foltynewicz started games 2 and 5, while Soroka started only game 3.

  21. Yes, there’s no way Snit had final call on the decision to only give Soroka one start, a decision so stupid I have tried to blank it out of my memory. I don’t necessarily feel doom and gloom, but the last few years have made me wonder if I’m not rooting for a team with some serious problems in terms of evaluating talent and knowing where to move in with your chips.

  22. The Braves are a medium large market team with a new stadium that operates often like it’s the Pirates.

    The organization is perpetually too cautious.

    Let’s face it. The Braves org isn’t terrible. It’s just meh. It’s boring and it’s not as good as it thinks it is at doing things.

  23. I still say the complete misuse of Max Fried in the playoff series last year was as big or bigger than giving Soroka one start, but it’s all from the same general pool of dumb decisions.

  24. Some of you guys are acting like AA is turning us into the Marlins or the Orioles. His moves last year at the deadline were among the most effective in baseball. I think he will make an under the radar move before the deadline that will be excellent. If not, he may have determined that the rewards for winning a championship are so small this year that it’s not worth selling the farm for. I’m not ready to give up on Anthopolous yet because he didn’t overpay for a big name starter in this incredibly mixed up year.

  25. @18 according to mlb.com, the Indians got SDs #7, #9, #11 along with three major league pieces in Hedges, Naylor, and Quantrill. And Quantrill only recently graduated from being a top prospect. I’d say that is much more than the Braves would have been willing to offer. Oddly, the Indians did not seem to get a big OF although Naylor has power potential. But getting Quantrill could be someone that replaces Clevenger one-for-one in a couple of years.

    A deal of that magnitude for the Braves may have had to include both Anderson and Waters.

  26. @27

    The rewards for winning a championship this year are the same as they are every year. You’ve won a championship. Any thought that this one “doesn’t count” is absurd.

  27. I also felt that Soroka should have been the one pitching, but for all it’s worth it really was Foltynewicz who was the hot hand in the rotation at that time. We always talk about riding a hot hand and how important it is for the team to be hot at the right time. Folty had a 1.50 ERA in 5 starts in Sept/Oct, and he tossed 7 innings of 3 hit, 0 ER baseball against that same Cardinals team earlier in the series.

    But when he left after only registering a single out, I declared it should be the last we see of him in a Braves uniform. It just hasn’t happened yet.

  28. @32

    Cue the wailing of the set of fans who only looks at former Braves for potential trade targets.

  29. I was relieved to see Minor dealt. I didn’t think anybody in baseball was calling about him, and I figured AA was the type to swoop in on last year’s hot item.

  30. @41

    Yeah, I’m pretty much there at this point. Though I was similarly prepared for it last night after we gave up 8 runs in three innings after we built a 10-0 lead and I wound up pleasantly surprised, so who knows…

  31. I’d like to offer an alternative viewpoint:

    This is not our season. Losing Soroka was the one player we couldn’t lose, and we did. Just about everything that could go wrong for us in the rotation has gone wrong. No Soroka, no Folty, no King Felix, no Newcomb, no Hamels. Remember way back in March when we had too much SP? Those days are long gone.

    Verducci was just on MLB Network saying that reliable starting pitching is the hottest commodity. In his words, “even guys that can just give you 5 innings”. That’s us, man. So while this may be a quiet trade deadline overall, the market within the market that you don’t want to be in (a buyer looking for SP), we are in that market. It is what it is. Do you just say that you’re not going to give up big long-term pieces for a short-term rental, and keep throwing young guys at the problem? I don’t think there’s a calvary coming over the hill that’s going to turn us into a World Series contender. That left with Soroka’s Achilles.

  32. I’m with Rob. This team isn’t going to win the World Series without Soroka, Hamels, and a serviceable Folty+Newcomb.

  33. @43

    I disagree. You have a core group of Freeman, Ozuna, Fried, Albies and Acuna and solid pieces around them. You have an elite bullpen. You need a starter to be able to match up for 5-6 innings in the playoffs. Why waste another year? This team wasn’t built around one player who plays every 5th day.

    Prospects come and go. Flags fly forever.

  34. Isn’t someone on here an economist? I had exactly one 100-level economics class, but I remember going over something called The Winner’s Curse. Basically, in any open auction, the winner is guaranteed to have paid over market value. That’s the only way you can win, because in theory everybody else should be willing to pay fair price.

    So does this apply to MLB free agents and trade targets? If you aren’t willing to “overpay” for a player then you will never acquire a coveted player.

  35. I guess nothing is happening. Time for some “Hamels returning in September is our deadline acquisition” PR puffery.

  36. At least we can hang the great farm system banner again. The longer we hold on to these guys the lower their value becomes

  37. This team is never gonna trade a top 10 prospect. There’s nothing that could ever make them do it and there’s no trade that they would ever even consider it for.

    They think they’re being super smart, but all it means is that they’re never gonna win a World Series unless they get insanely lucky.

  38. I would really, really like to know what we offered for Clevinger and Lynn.

    While I stand by what I said, I do wonder why we are so fascinated in holding onto these pitchers at this point.

  39. ‘I saw her today at the reception
    A glass of wine in her hand
    I knew she was gonna meet her connection
    At her feet was her footloose man

    You can’t always get what you want
    You can’t always get what you want
    You can’t always get what you want
    But if you try sometimes, well, you might find
    You get what you need.’

  40. And when I say we’ll never win a World Series unless we get insanely lucky, I don’t mean normal “the playoffs are a crapshoot” lucky. I mean, like, winning the lottery lucky.

    @55 – Because no one offered full value for them, Rob. We can’t do anything unless it passes muster via the value chart posted on the wall. Value, value, value! (And by the way, we value all these guys way more than anybody else.)

  41. Last year, we got three solid bullpen guys at the deadline. AA didn’t get stupider in a year, so it’s probable that the asking price for the few impact arms available was too much.

    What now? Resolve that Erlin and Tomlin don’t ever get another start for the Braves. Give Milone a couple chances to show what he has, bring up two of the Gwinnet guys who the evaluators think give us the best chance to win. Wright? Touki? Folty? Davidson? Weigel? Wilson? I’d rather hope for the best with someone who has the stuff to get some October outs.

  42. I said earlier today, to some other fans I talk to, that I wasn’t going to blame AA for holding back today. We should have already known that the market asking prices on these arms was insane. It was insane and we were still entertaining it. Today we chose to keep Pache and Waters who will in short time become 2 full time outfielders next to RAJ. That is value you can’t possibly beat!

    Additionally, if the Indians weren’t getting an OF in the Clevinger deal, then that could mean they wanted Ian Anderson — a big fat F NO to that.

    If nothing else, the Braves should have grippa money to spend on starting pitching going forward. They will have Fried, Soroka, and Anderson as 3/5 starters, and an outfield comprised of cheap elite talent. The team is almost fully set.

  43. I’m guessing we’re now gonna go out big on the DFA dumpster-diving circuit. As such, if you’re curious like I was as to what the deadline is to lock in your playoff-eligible roster, it’s Sept. 15 this year.

  44. The Dodgers have unlimited money and best player development system in baseball. There’s never going to be a “perfect” time to go for it and if Clevinger isn’t the ideal “all in” trade, I don’t know what is. He’s in his prime; doesn’t cost a fortune; can line up against any pitcher in baseball; is signed for what probably constitutes our World Series window (two years); is on the market for reasons that don’t involve performance and/or health. The Braves probably think their window is larger, but with the lower levels of the minors looking like they do because of the sanctions I don’t really agree. Furthermore, Freddie likely only has a few peak years left.

    We’re obviously not privy to all the details, but I firmly believe the Braves could have bested the Padres’ offer if they wanted. Making the postseason isn’t a guarantee and when you’re in, you have to make the best of it. This is shameful.

  45. Get hyped.

  46. Yes, I’ve noticed that after this complete punt, the team has chosen this time to start up the “Folty’s actually looking pretty good in Gwinnett” train after absolutely no semblance of it from the point he was sent down to now. Hard to look at that as anything other than complete and utter bullshit.

    Kip is absolutely right @62.

  47. Yeah but Kip is also wrong about Clevinger. He has only pitched a full season once in his 5 year career, and arguably his most elite season was last year when he pitched 126 innings of 2.49 FIP baseball. That he isn’t lighting the world on fire this season is reason enough to not pay for 2019 Clevinger. We’ll see who the Padres got soon enough.

  48. @65 Well I am. In the best shape of my life. Man. Investing in a personal trainer has been the best decision of my life!

    Maybe I can pitch for the Braves…

  49. The more I think about the Folty bone that AA threw to the beat writers, the more it pisses me off. Snit has been asked about him multiple times since he’s been sent down and each time, he has all but dismissively waved his hand at the camera. Now suddenly, within a half-hour of the culmination of an utter failure of a trade deadline, we’re going to imply to the beat writers that Folty might be able to make some starts in September with an eye toward the playoffs? AA had better go sell that hogwash someplace else, because we’re all stocked up here.

  50. I guess at this point I would rather we go with the kids than Tomlin and Milone. Folty isn’t worse than Milone for goodness sakes

  51. Summer 2018: It’s to early to trade our prospects. Don’t trade the farm for Manny Machado. Our future is bright! It’s not like Johan will go 0-15 in the playoffs or anything.

    Winter 2019: These 1-year deals are fantastic! We didn’t get Harper or Machado or Corbin, but they weren’t good value. We’re gonna have so much flexibility in a couple years to make some big splashes!

    Summer 2019: Nah, we don’t need Grienke or Castellanos or Bauer. Keuchel is ready to go. You’re gonna be glad we kept these prospects and flexibility!

    Winter 2020: Sure, Liberty Media could theoretically afford Gerrit Cole, but trust me, the value isn’t there. Yeah, the Yanks may be good for a few years, but they’ll be sorry in 2028. We don’t need him anyway, we’ve got sooooo much pitching. Did you see Folty in Game 2? AA is just saving money for the trade deadline. Never know what you might need to add come August!

    Summer 2020: Guys, it’s pretty clear the other 29 teams are not properly valuing Atlanta’s prospects. Their loss. Man, are they gonna have egg on their faces when Waters and Pache win back-to-back MVPs.

    October 2020: I mean, this wasn’t a REAL championship anyway. I’m glad we didn’t have to watch past the 1st round anyway. Can’t say I loved losing to St. Louis again…

    Winter 2020: There just aren’t any frontline starters available. Bad market that nobody could’ve seen coming. Who can expect them to add payroll in these uncertain times?

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