Marlins 6, Braves 2

Atlanta Braves vs. Miami Marlins – Box Score – July 10, 2013 – ESPN

Now that they’ve missed out on Dwight Howard, couldn’t make the Omer Asik thing work, and neglected to beat the Cavs’ modest offer for Andrew Byunum, it appears that the Hawks are content to let Horford play the 5 for the seventh consecutive season. They’re also allegedly more interested in Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings than they are in Jeff Teague, which is…curious. I suppose a two-year deal for Ellis wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world, but I don’t know if that’s feasible or not.

As things stand now, the Hawks’ depth chart looks something like this, as best I can tell:

1 — [Teague or Jennings or Ellis] / Schroeder / Mack
2 — Williams / Jenkins / Cunningham
3 — Korver / Carroll [/ Stevenson?]
4 — Millsap / Scott [/ Johnson? / Tolliver?]
5 — Horford / Muscala [/ Nogueira?]

That’s competitive, but it could be better, and the Hawks still have between $9 and $15 million in cap room, depending on what they decide to do with some of the guys at the perceived end of the roster. (Of course, a good chunk of that will be spent one of those point guards.) It’s a little uninspiring, based on what I was dreaming of before the start of free agency, but there’s some upside, and the one thing Ferry has done is assemble valuable assets — there are no outrageous contracts that couldn’t be moved, and some of them could be moved for quite a bit of value.

Honestly, I wish they’d rolled the dice with Bynum — it’s not like they couldn’t have beaten a guaranteed $6 million without totally tying the franchise’s future to the health of his knees, but they have more information than I do, so I guess I’ll just trust them.

Still optimistic about the team’s future, but less over-the-moon than I was a week ago. Curious to see what happens next.

Author: Stu

Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I've been married since July 17, 2004 to my beautiful wife, who also doubles as my best friend. We have an almost-three-years-old Boston Terrier named Lucy who's also pretty awesome. My wife and I both graduated from Vanderbilt University in May of 2004. I graduated from Law School at the University of Georgia in May of 2007 and am now practicing in Nashville, Tennessee. I really, really love the Atlanta Braves.

219 thoughts on “Marlins 6, Braves 2”

  1. @1

    From Mac, pure gold:

    “24 years ago today, the Coca-Cola Company bowed to pressure and announced it would resume bottling the original formula. It’s just a great day in Atlanta companies finally realizing that they’ve made huge mistakes.”

  2. The Hawks will be in the lottery for the next 2 seasons. Hopefully that will produce a superstar. Without that they might as well fold up shop.

  3. I hope they’ll be in the lottery. What I’m afraid of is that Stu is correct and they will be competitive – competitive enough to land a 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs. And when you consider how deep next season’s draft is, that’s… insane.

    So hopefully they move Millsap and whatever point guard they obtain before the trade deadline. I’m all in for tanking at this point.

  4. They are tanking it – any other plan is pure insanity. I don’t think DF is insane. The hard part is going to be navigating this next season while keeping the fans hopeful and looking forward to the future. Attendance is going to be crazy bad.

  5. When I took my daughter to a game this season Harry the Hawk took a severe header while dunking off the trampoline and had to be carted away.

  6. Fantastic recap Stu.

    I actually think it speaks volume on the state of Bynam’s knee and his attitude rather than the lack of aggressiveness of the Hawks.

    The Cavs is looking for a jackpot in a healthy Bynam and LeBron in 2014. We all know about the chance of winning a jackpot.

  7. I absolutely love the recaps of bad losses with something completely different. I look forward to random movie reviews, great moments in Alabama football, and other absurdities. You’re really striking my pretentious, post modern funny bone Stu.

  8. ESPN isn’t the only outfit rooting for Puig. MLB is, too, retweeting this on its official Twitter feed:

    C'mon SPORTSFANS!!! @YasielPuig is da hottest kid is baseball! Get him on the ALL STAR Squad! #VotePuig do it now!— Samuel L. Jackson (@SamuelLJackson) July 10, 2013

    MLB gives us Hrbek getting away lifting Gant off first, Eric Gregg, Sam Holbrook and a farcical one-game playoff between teams separated by six games. So I shouldn’t be surprised at this.

    With all due respect, MLB, go to hell.

  9. BTW, see that strip of red in Seattle? That’s me, all by myself. I got mad “Type the numbers” skeelz.

  10. #11 To be fair, they also retweeted Rob Gronkowski’s(?!) support for Freddie.

    Honestly, the main reason I’ve voted as frequently as I have is to protest against the blatant disrespect in the national media. I wouldn’t really have cared as much if the talking heads were saying “Well, Freddie’s got a good case, but we still think Puig is more qualified despite the much shorter sample size because _________.” But instead, they’re completely dismissing him. In the linked article at #12, they dedicated one pathetically short sentence to him. ONE MEASLY SENTENCE. That just infuriates me. I can tolerate the media disagreeing, but I refuse to tolerate disrespect.

  11. @19 This is our way of showing the national media that we are bigger than them. The Braves Nation is showing up big time.

  12. Ever notice how some white-bread country singer has won every single one of those singing competition shows over the last several years? Unfortunately, I have.
    But it does go to show that the south can definitely turn out the vote for meaningless popularity contests. It comes as no surprise that we’re doing the same now that the stakes are high and the consequences are real.

  13. The thing I liked about the Bynum idea was that, if he proved healthy, he’d make the Hawks a legit playoff-advancement contender, and if he didn’t, his absence would likely make them a lottery team. In other words, I thought it was a good way of keeping them out of the annoying middle. And, of course, they’ve got to spend the money somewhere, and it wouldn’t have cost them a long-term deal.

    Now that Teague has signed a reasonably-priced offer sheet with Milwaukee, it’s going to be really interesting to see what they do next.

  14. @15
    Benton, MS, Wilkinson, MS, and Fayette, AL should be ashamed of themselves!

    I think it’s pretty funny to see all the gray area, no votes.

  15. @22 I agree Stu, but I don’t think the Hawks have a fan base which is solid enough to allow the team throwing away any seasons. Whether you agree with such argument or not, the Joe Johnson extension showed exactly such mentality in the ownership group.

    I think what Ferry is doing now is to find under-valued assets in the draft and reasonably priced assets in FA so that the team is competitive enough now while there is room to grow in the future. That’s why I believe he went international during the draft, and I think he will match the offer sheet.

  16. Yeah, I think you almost have to match the offer sheet, at that price. Worst case, you can move a 3-year, $24-million contract for a young, starting-caliber point guard next offseason.

  17. @25 If Joe’s contract can be moved, there is nothing that can not be traded.

    I honestly couldn’t believe how much Drew loves Teague.

  18. And that contract offer to Teague is relatively sane. I would expect the Hawks to match it rather than dump 11-12 into Brandon Jennings.

  19. If you think this Hawks roster is competitive then I don’t know what to say.

    Embrace the tankage.

  20. Well sure. I would much rather give Teague that contract than give in to Jennings’s demands. But remember, once Milwaukee locks up Teague, both Jennings and Ellis have no more leverage. I don’t want the Hawks to lock either up, but the team would certainly not be paying them $11-12 million a year. I suppose DF is weighing the option of giving Teague 4 years and one of the other guys 2 years. Or perhaps he’s gonna bring in Moe Williams as a caddy to Shroeder.

  21. Well, Yahoo has now posted a pro-Freeman article from its Contributor Network. Perhaps it’s my Braves bias talking, but this piece (while still not exactly what I’d call ready for prime time) is miles ahead of the pro-Puig “writing” on Yahoo! from mouth-breathing Dodgers fans linked on here in earlier days. On one hand, I’m impressed that the author went to the trouble of comparing Freeman’s seasonal stat line with Puig’s combined line from AA and the majors, but then he cherry-picked the stat categories used for comparison. Also, he goes on to call 1B “a far more difficult position defensively” than RF, which is… just wrong.


    seems like only yesterday…and somehow he’s firmly established himself in the Yankee/YES hierarchy by a rare skill – self parody…

  23. @36, Gosh, how can we let a guy like that go? Very endearing. I’m gonna miss this guy.

    BTW, is it just me, or does “Grumpy” resemble Gattis?

  24. If you think this Hawks roster is competitive then I don’t know what to say.

    Rebuilding is not tanking. The Braves are not trying to be as bad as possible in order to roll the dice in the lottery. Thus, they are not tanking. They are rebuilding through the acquisition of assets and the draft.

  25. @32 – according to the article, Freeman’s parents are canucks. To think, we could have Oso Blanco and L’Ours Neige on the same team. How has this not happened yet?

  26. Daryl Morey made me rethink tanking as an NBA rebuilding strategy. His Rockets looked for years like they were just on the mediocrity treadmill to nowhere, but he was just gathering as many assets as he could. Then, when the time was right, he cashed a bunch of those assets in for a real star (Harden). Then he had enough flexibility to easily clear the cap room he needed (firesale on Thomas Robinson) when Howard became available (and could be lured by the previous acquisition of Harden).

    Contrast my Mavericks, who decided to rebuild for one last run around Dirk after their championship. Their means of doing this was to clear as much cap space as possible. But it turned out no one wanted to come play with Dirk and Cap Space, and Cap Space isn’t really an attractive asset to a team putting a star on the trading block. They’re stuck now.

    So if the Hawks are pursuing a middle route that involves gathering assets and assembling a team that might win 41 games out of them, that’s OK for them, really, so long as the assets are quality and Ferry’s on the phone any time a star comes available. There will be about 10 teams tanking for Andrew Wiggins and they can’t all get the #1 pick. I can see not wanting to join that parade.

  27. #31
    Woo, funny.

    It’s difficult to convey how annoying (& inaccurate) John Sterling can be, but that bit was a blast in that direction.

  28. @42

    Those are good points. But it also seems like an extreme long shot to bank on another team selling off an elite player like Harden. OKC almost surely regrets it now, and I imagine nobody will make that mistake again.

  29. @44, the new CBA makes it kind of inevitable. Sam Presti didn’t make that trade for basketball reasons, he made it because his owners are cheapskates and would not pay the luxury tax that keeping Harden would have resulted in.

    Hell, they’re too cheap to amnesty Kendrick Perkins and use his $9MM/season cap number on players who might actually help. But most ownership in the league is more like this and less like Prokhorov. So it’ll happen again at some point.

  30. Jose Peraza is on pace for an 80 stolen base season. He might be a legit leadoff option at 2b when Uggla’s contract expires. He’s only 19 so that might be pushing it but he looks like a player that has serious potential to get recognition after this year by minor league gurus.

  31. Thank You… Thank You for the link at #31.

    (Thuuu-uuuh pitch!)

    I remember him oh so well from the bad old days. Can’t get him out of my head, actually.

    The man should have been a proctologist–somehow wound up a broadcaster.

  32. @45 – That’s also why Ferry and company went international with “lottery picks” in the draft. If Bebe or Schroeder turn into stars, then they have a foundation and it’s one acquisition away. Schroeder is compared favorably to Tony Parker. Bebe is a project but if he pans out, it’s a huge win.

  33. I loved John Sterling when I was a wee Braves fan, but I loved everything Braves-related back then.

  34. Per Espn, Puig will be live on sportscenter at 2 eastern. What just two hours before the final vote ends. How convenient.

  35. I wonder if all this obvious cheerleading isn’t going to backfire on the Puig-Industrial Complex. I’ve got a three-hour break between court appearances today, and I’ve just been sitting here answering emails, eating lunch, and entering more and more five-digit CAPTCHA codes…

  36. Bill Plaschke, who I never pay attention to, has articles on consecutive days that sum up Yasiel Puig as an arrogant fool incapable of taking care of himself to the extent that the Dodgers have hired him a full-time caretaker a la Josh Hamilton.,0,2400691.column,0,2466228.column

    Funny thing is, they’re meant to be complimentary of Puig.

  37. Puig, last 8 games: 40 PA, .250/.300/.306, 13 K/3 BB.

    Let the Francoeurization begin!

  38. Puig: 152 plate appearances – 394/428/’634
    Francoeur: first 154 plate appearances – 351/377/655

  39. (I should note that that comment is not intended as a personal slam on Francoeur or even Puig – just a reflection that Free-Swingin’ Power Dude is known to come up like gangbusters, then get adjusted to, and then who knows what. And that everyone hyping Puig as the next “The Natural” should stop and remember that for a second.)

  40. July numbers:

    Puig: .293/.333/.439/.772
    Freddie: .306/.419/.472/.891
    Chris Johnson: .405/.421/.595/1.016

  41. The 2014 NBA Draft is going to be boffo. Even a middling pick in that draft might turn out OK for the Hawks.

    I trust in Ferry. OHHHH THE DOOKIES, etc.

  42. I’m really not sure what the basic motivation is for the Puig Industrial Complex (I’m really not sure what the motivation is for Freddie voters, either, but that’s really different.)

    I guess it’s some combination of:
    (a) Puig is the new flavor of the month, and new is always more interesting than old. (I happen to disagree with the latter part, but I’m working on the motivation of others.)
    (b) LA>ATL in national media terms
    (c) Cuba>CA (which stands for both California AND Canada) [But are defection stories really interesting any more? It’s not like the Mariel boatlift or something.]
    (d) Puig may have more upside than Freddie, and some people want to see “the future.”

    I can’t take seriously the notion that underlying it is “whoever has had the best season,” because (a) that clearly isn’t the answer for the majority of the other players in the game already, and (b) a month is not a season, or even a half-season. Should we pick the all-star team based on everybody’s best month? How about everybody’s best 30 games, irrespective of contiguity — get ready, Dan Uggla.

    My point is that if people were honest about these motives, there could be a discussion. But a discussion of which player has performed better is, well, just not a very interesting discussion to me.

  43. I’m really not sure what the basic motivation is for the Puig Industrial Complex

    Media market size.

    (I’m really not sure what the motivation is for Freddie voters, either, but that’s really different.)


  44. “I’m really not sure what the basic motivation is for the Puig Industrial Complex”

    The same motivation for all that focus on the 7th seed in the Western Conference last NBA season.

  45. @38, tanking is part of the rebuilding. The next draft is deep but trying for an early pick can’t hurt. 6th 7th and 8th seed purgatory isn’t getting it done. Time to stop doing that nonsense and shoot for the moon. This roster is horrible. Even more horrible if Teague leaves. They are totally tanking it, whether that’s the plan or not might be debatable, but next season we’ll be getting a high pick regardless.

  46. It’d be funny if Puig went Francoeur on the Dodgers: a hot month followed by nothing.

    Maybe he can get an SI cover too.

  47. I agree with the Rockets asset building strategy that Ferry is employing. And in the East, the Hawks may not be a top 3 team but they are competitive.

    Stay competitive for the next 2-4 years and look for opportunities. Make trades with Michael Jordan whenever possible.

    Re. the ’14 class, I’ve watched a lot of Andrew Wiggins. I’m not sure if he has the killer instinct. Can he take an NBA bottom 3 franchise and turn it around? This upcoming college hoops year will be interesting to watch…me personally, drafting today I would go: 1. Julius Randle; 2. Aaron Gordon; 3. Andrew Wiggins.

  48. The Puig thing is big because we’re in a sports news dead season. You can only talk about Aaron Hernandez and NBA free agency so much, and no one’s breaking down box scores anymore. Puig is something to talk about when they’re ain’t much to talk about.

  49. Freeman is going to win, but ESPN/MLB will not be denied. They will slip Puig in as an injury replacement or whatever.

  50. @71

    That, and ESPN no longer has the TEBOW! crutch to lean upon since his chances of starting are roughly the same as the odds of Chris Berman waking up tomorrow and no longer being a bloviated narcissist.

  51. #69
    Guess it just didn’t occur to the Mets to maybe schedule that event when they played the Phillies or something.

  52. Um, it’s still letting me vote… You suppose its just not going to count the ones I submit after 4pm?

  53. #76 – Jeter was back briefly. Unfortunately, he just left the game with a sore quad.

  54. #80
    Jeter was kinda rushed back because 2 more guys (Gardner & Hafner) got hurt yesterday.

    Bringing Jeter back on short notice for a day game vs. KC isn’t exactly what the club envisioned.

  55. I respect Jeter but absolutely hate the Yankees. I don’t like seeing anyone get hurt, but I really do like seeing the Yanks struggling.

  56. In the Mets defense – I know; Why? – the NA association picked the date due to their calendar, and then the Mets looked at the schedule and said “maybe not that one.”

  57. #82
    You’re lucky. I gotta live with ’em.

    But for Yankee haters, Xmas has come early: They have one of the worst lineups in MLB.

  58. So Freeman wins the vote, and immediately Chris Rose moans on MLB Network that Puig should have gotten in. Watching the chatterboxes whine about this will be fun.

  59. Toronto Blue Jays RP Steve Delabar & Atlanta Braves 1B Freddie Freeman win ASG Final Vote with record 79.2 million votes cast.

  60. Hugs wins it. Today’s word, kids, is “Schadenfreude.”

    Oh, and why did the Braves latch onto Delabar as their push in the AL?

  61. Not only did Freeman win, but apparently the 19.7 million votes he received is a record.

  62. I have certainly enjoying hearing the charges of “ballot box stuffing” uttered without the slightest bit of irony.

  63. Braves Nation has done itself proud!

    Hotspur, thanks for defending our flank there in Washington. We needed it!

    The MLB Final Vote map says that “Freddie Freeman carried the day fighting off Yasiel Puig’s strong national appeal.” That explains the solid wall of Freeman red in the South and all that red in the Rockies and Midwest, then.

  64. Well, to be fair, when I was perusing the map earlier today, it looked like, where Freddie was winning, it was 56% – 39%, and where Puig was winning it was more like 72% – 8%. I’d call that “strong national appeal.” It looked like voters who didn’t have a horse in the race were likely to vote for Puig, regardless of their geographic location.

    My interpretation of the map, at least the map posted before this final day of voting, showed Puig’s support to be “an inch deep and a mile wide,” if you will. Not winning a particular county doesn’t necessarily equate to not having strong support there.

  65. 92- Good thing I saved my Confederate money then!

    And notice the praise for Delabar… who even MLB noticed won largely on Freeman ballots. (Where did this “Atlanta Braves voting alliance” come from? I voted for Scheppers.)

  66. @90

    You’re most welcome; glad my carpal tunnel pain went to a winning cause. :-)

    Personally, I’m just happy because this seems like one of those rare instances where the nice guy really does finish first. (Also, I’m glad it happened today, because if the game against the Reds tonight sucks I’m gonna need something happy to write about in the recap to take my mind off it. :P )

  67. What I just posted to the comments areas of both the SweetSpot blog and Buster Olney’s post on a “Puig backlash,” just in case anyone wants to read it. Feel free to go over there and add a piece of your own mind. :-)

    “Not to pile on, but what this represents is a majority of the baseball-loving public telling a number of ESPN personalities — now including you, apparently — that they don’t appreciate having you force narratives down their throats. From a non-Dodger fan’s perspective, Puig is totally fun to watch and, if he keeps it up, he’ll earn his way onto the team next year. But nobody but you ESPN guys — not the majority of the fans, and not the majority of the players — thinks Puig was such an obvious choice that he should have just been crowned and carried to Citi Field on a gilded litter. You want to know why Freddie Freeman won? Because he’s a great player on the team with the biggest division lead at the moment (which only had one player selected to the ASG), and he’s one of the nicest guys in the sport to boot. He hugs his teammates instead of high-fiving them, for crying out loud — AND THEY LET HIM. AND LOVE IT. I hate to group you with some of the other ESPN guys on this, but the fact is that you all decided what you thought the best story was and pushed it on us as if you got to decide. You don’t get to decide; we do. And we did. If you want to save journalism, I’d suggest you think about the implications of that.”

  68. ESPN doesn’t want to save journalism. They are the best business in all of the American media, and they’re really doing just fine.

    John Olerud was a really, really, really good player: he was worth 58 WAR, had a sweet swing, played good defense, and was one of the best hitters in the league for a long time. Comparing Freeman to Olerud is not a slight.

  69. It’s not a slight – it’s just not accurate. Freeman has more power than Olerud, to date, in their respective careers. That’s not to say he’s better, or will be better, but it’s just not apt, other than they are both 6’5 and play first base.

  70. It’s pretty clear that Bmac is one of the worst throwing catchers I’ve ever seen.

  71. As long as it “covers” the same sports it actually broadcasts, ESPN can’t be taken too seriously as a journalistic entity.

    It has its moments—some of those “30 for 30” docs were terrific—but generally, much of what gets shown on Sports Center is just promo for what it’ll be broadcasting later. (That, and Tebow.)

  72. Brandon Phillips got too cute with the fake, and hopefully that’ll get Timmy out of this.

  73. As terrific as Tim has been for most of his years here, I can already visualize him in a Brewers uniform in 2014. Just tough to watch a sinkerball pitcher who doesn’t trust that pitch enough to throw it for a strike.

  74. Tim fell behind every hitter. But the Bmac throw was horrendous and maybe Uggla should’ve been able to do something with it. All around crappy start.

  75. That double was Olerud-like, Olerudish, whatever descriptive you’d like to use.

  76. The helmet actually flipped back to allow access to his circuit board.

    Edit: I was responding to ububba, but feel fre to consider me psychic.

  77. Corky Miller is one of the most well-liked fellas these Reds broadcasters have ever seen. And some day, he’ll make a great coach.

  78. At first I thought he blew out a knee but I think he just landed hard on his tailbone or hip. Don’t think it’s major.

  79. I’ve been critical of Glavine as a broadcaster in the past, but he’s definitely at his best when discussing the tactical aspect of pitching. You can tell how much he relied on that as part of his game, and it’s the only time he shows any passion in the booth.

  80. Choo could begin approaching “Burn in hell, Victorino” territory if he keeps this up.

  81. I don’t think I can remember Brian EVER making a play at the plate. I know he must have. But I just can’t remember a time he’s caught the ball, and tagged the runner, in that order.

  82. @146: I never thought I’d hear a shout out to Twitter followers during a number retirement speech, but Chipper is just…well, imagine a guy who never went to college, who played a game for a living while making millions of dollars, and now has a megaphone to sound off about anything from bad umpiring to flirting with his woman. It’s like Homer when he discovered the Internet.

  83. Gattis is rehabbing in Gwinnett starting tomorrow. He hit a ball seven rows into the stands during BP… which may or may not mean he’s ready to come back.

  84. Haven’t been able to watch, but just checked the box score. Man it’s nice to see Andrelton setting the table and Freddie and Justin hitting it like that. Those are some great numbers.

  85. I really really LOVE it when fabricated narratives get shoved back in the face of the media hacks that live off of them. Go Freddie!

  86. Fredi is going to give Hudson a lot of rope this inning…

    Whew, nice stretch Freddie

  87. Again, I think we are seeing what it would look like if Edward Scissorhands played baseball. Thanks, Chris Johnson.

    Oh, and has Freddie ever mentioned doing gymnastics? How the heck can he do the splits multiple times a night and not get hurt?

  88. Huddy is going to break the streak, here. He’s going to hit for himself, and then complete the next half inning.

  89. He completed TWO more half-innings.

    That was the very definition of a “gutty performance.”

    EDIT: And to be fair, he already had 1 out when I said it.

  90. Well since Heyward will likely be out until halfway through September, I expect some degree of a Gattis/Schafer platoon.

  91. If they want to sit Heyward until after the break, why not just activate Gattis? With a couple of good daye, he may make the all start team. lol

  92. 148, 149 — I’m sure the Braves told McCann not to get hurt at the plate after the collision in Arizona back in ’06.

  93. I’m not talking about blocking the plate. I’m talking about him CATCHING THE BALL before he tags the runner.

  94. Ever notice McCann always comes out in front of the plate to catch the ball? He isn’t too concerned about tagging out runners most of the time.

  95. I’ve been trying to recover from a strain and it takes awhile. I’d guess Heyward will be DL’d. I wouldn’t mind seeing Terdo and Gattis a little anyway.

  96. I don’t think we’re discussing the same thing here.

    He TRIES to tag guys out. He just doesn’t catch the ball first.

    He sets up in front of the plate, the throw comes in, and he dives toward the runner, without the ball in his glove.

    How is this an injury prevention strategy?

  97. Just guessing, since he’s been hit before it could be psychological about fearing a collision and not focusing on catching the ball.

  98. Kimbrel strike out of Choo was masterly…much baggage involved, bad memories…

    sliders till 2 strikes, then blow him off the plate up and in at 98, then the coup de grace low and away…

    they should play Carmen when he comes in…the Matador with the bloodied bull…

    beat Choo and you beat the Reds…we were lucky we had Kimbrel for that last AB…

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